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I especially love the double standard that allows passive aggressive trolling like

Sorry... was this something you wrote, or is this another Frank Trollman Classic?

When you don't give credit where credit's due, you undermine your credibility. C'mon.

To be totally okay and even encouraged.

They're Failtards. As an Lolcat, surely you can appreciate this. Well, perhaps that's the wrong word.

I don't know what the hell a Failtard is, but I do know that they are exactly the same as the people I left on the WotC boards. I have absolutely no interest in being in such a forum.

Seriously, saying someone has no original ideas and is copying everything he says is totally fine-but calling someone an asshole for doing this is bad. That sort of pretend-niceness fosters an environment I cannot stand.

Cielingcat wrote:I don't know what the hell a Failtard is, but I do know that they are exactly the same as the people I left on the WotC boards. I have absolutely no interest in being in such a forum.

Seriously, saying someone has no original ideas and is copying everything he says is totally fine-but calling someone an asshole for doing this is bad. That sort of pretend-niceness fosters an environment I cannot stand.

Fail + Retard. Given that what you described is also Standard Paizil Fare (TM), no surprise there.

It has nothing to do with Paizo. It is the same environment found in nearly every RPG forum ever-the only one I've ever seen that doesn't have it is the one we're in right now. In an attempt to make everyone play nice, the only form of expression they allow is either sucking up to people or passive aggressive trolling. There is no honest disagreement, because you either have to sugar coat everything or be accused of trolling. There is no intellectualism, because that might hurt people's feelings.

I hate it and if you ever see my post count on RPGnet rise above "1" you can be assured that someone hacked my account.

Cielingcat wrote:It has nothing to do with Paizo. It is the same environment found in nearly every RPG forum ever-the only one I've ever seen that doesn't have it is the one we're in right now. In an attempt to make everyone play nice, the only form of expression they allow is either sucking up to people or passive aggressive trolling. There is no honest disagreement, because you either have to sugar coat everything or be accused of trolling. There is no intellectualism, because that might hurt people's feelings.

I hate it and if you ever see my post count on RPGnet rise above "1" you can be assured that someone hacked my account.

On the contrary. They're the most common and famous ones. Others don't do it nearly as badly. Except my new farming grounds.

I don't understand how mearls can ask a question that so few understand. He specifically asked why you were complaining that he had multiple iterations... Which was only really an aside to the iterations. Ugh.

And ten posts per page? How does anyone read that thing?

-Crissa

God those people at RPG.net are complete ass hats. The mods and admin especially.

ckafrica wrote:God those people at RPG.net are complete ass hats. The mods and admin especially.

Yes. I think it's important to note that we have a board where it is perfectly acceptable to tell someone to go suck a barrel of cocks. And we don't go to rpg.net because those guys are unwelcoming and rude.

-Username17

I don't consider myself an expert on this, or even all that good at it, but this::bash:

This Moron wrote:

Some Guy wrote:The players finally figured out "aid another" and now they all strategically try to maximize the "spokesperson's" die roll.

NPC: "So, what say you on the matter?" Diplomacy?

PC 1: aid another. "I defer to PC 5 in such matters."

PC 2: aid another. "You should really ask PC 5."

PC 3: aid another. "PC 5 is an expert on the topic."

PC 4: aid another. "Let's see what PC 5 thinks."

PC 5: diplocmacy check with +8, "This is what I think." Success.

This is a perfect example of misunderstanding Skill Challenges imo. The players are treating a SC like a monster to be "beaten." But SCs are really about directed role-playing! No one is trying to win.

That is so obviously false that I can't believe a human being said it. When you create a binary set of results, with success on one end and failure on the other, people are going to try to win! I suppose you could try to lose; who honestly does that though?

That's just more of the same old, "Fucking my character in the ear with a thorned dildo while singing the Barney song is good roleplaying and trying to have my character and his party be successful in character is MunchkinBadPowergaming!" It's bull shit, but it's also what a solid 95% of the gaming population thinks. Why this is I'd have no idea, except that it's in half the fucking books.

The real question I want answered is where this worthless and vaguely communist (in the sense that communism is another failed) platitude originated. Seriously. I never would have come up with it, and none of my friends would - at least not the ones who don't believe everything they see on Fox News - have come up with.

What gives?

DocTheWeasel proving I was right wrote:Am I the only person who has enjoyed using Skill Challenges? They have gone over very well with my group.

Do we have any stories of people not liking them in play? Otherwise this really sounds like (another) "I hate 4ed so I'm going to (prove why I'm right with theorycraft)/(complain that the writers slapped us in the face with their incompetence).

Math > specific instances. God DAMN people don't understand statistics.

I'm more amused by this little gem from mearls:

mearls wrote:

FrankTrollman wrote:As to Mearls' specific complaint that it is somehow unfair to take him to task for having presented multiple systems for skill challenges that are untested and nonfunctional... No. It's not unfair at all.

It's pretty easy to argue with someone when you make up their statements for them.

In that vein, as to Frank Trollman's specific observation that skill challenges are the Ghandi of game mechanics, I can only agree.

There, we agree now! Case closed, comrade.

A person this stupid and juvenile is seriously going to fix something? And how is quoting what you have actually said making up a statement?


EDIT: It seems that they want to make an "arsenal" of different methods for skill challenges; this would be fine if I trusted them to come up with a single working system, but I don't. Predicting a huge and ever growing pile of badly built, and quickly discarded mechanics, all as Mike continues to try and built a whole automobile with a hammer.

Cielingcat wrote:It has nothing to do with Paizo. It is the same environment found in nearly every RPG forum ever-the only one I've ever seen that doesn't have it is the one we're in right now.

Good lord. Are there ANY forums devoted to role-playing online that are worth a damned at all besides The Gaming Den?

Cielingcat wrote:In an attempt to make everyone play nice, the only form of expression they allow is either sucking up to people or passive aggressive trolling. There is no honest disagreement, because you either have to sugar coat everything or be accused of trolling. There is no intellectualism, because that might hurt people's feelings.

What is the root cause of this behavior, I wonder? Is it a conscious decision to avoid excluding people from the hobby to prevent sales declines? Or are most of the administrators of these forums simply loathsome sycophants that have to bolster their sense of self-worth by befriending "game designers" and building cults of personality around themselves and their forum?

Ganbare Gincun wrote:

Cielingcat wrote:It has nothing to do with Paizo. It is the same environment found in nearly every RPG forum ever-the only one I've ever seen that doesn't have it is the one we're in right now.

Good lord. Are there ANY forums devoted to role-playing online that are worth a damned at all besides The Gaming Den?

Cielingcat wrote:In an attempt to make everyone play nice, the only form of expression they allow is either sucking up to people or passive aggressive trolling. There is no honest disagreement, because you either have to sugar coat everything or be accused of trolling. There is no intellectualism, because that might hurt people's feelings.

What is the root cause of this behavior, I wonder? Is it a conscious decision to avoid excluding people from the hobby to prevent sales declines? Or are most of the administrators of these forums simply loathsome sycophants that have to bolster their sense of self-worth by befriending "game designers" and building cults of personality around themselves and their forum?

Yes.

Roy wrote:Yes.

That's pretty sad. It looks like the online RPG community is no better off then the online anime community.

So what RPG Forums should be avoided at all costs, and which ones are inhabited by reasonable people?

Ganbare Gincun wrote:

Roy wrote:Yes.

That's pretty sad. It looks like the online RPG community is no better off then the online anime community.

So what RPG Forums should be avoided at all costs, and which ones are inhabited by reasonable people?

Let's see...

WotC and Paizo are both obvious choices to disregard, unless you want a cheap laugh of course.

ENWorld and GitP are other major offenders of a stupidic nature. Yes, I just made up a word to describe their fail.

This forum is arguably worse than even the Paizils. They do the same things, except possibly to a worse degree. They aren't even that funny about it, because they have no skill whatsoever.

On the good side... let's see...

BG failed months ago. WotC failed years ago. That leaves... Myth Weavers (as long as you sidestep all the ROLEplayers, who still at least have some sense so they aren't that bad) and that's about it.

The rest exist for the sole purpose of amusing their betters.

I can no longer log in:

You have been banned for the following reason:
Backchat after a warning.

Date the ban will be lifted: Never

After pointing out the admin did not respond to the admin tools, but only to messages.

Funny, huh?

-Crissa

Myth weavers suffers from a slight bit of trouble of 'stop talking about it now;' and any indication of synchronous play over asynchronous; there is a definite feel that if you use their tools for synchronous play, they will not be happy. Also, they don't like adult situations or bad words in even private forums/messages.

Since I can no longer contact Crissa through rpg.net I've registered here to make my say. Please don't bother bringing up specifics of that other thread to me, I'm not here to discuss those. I probably won't even return after this.

Crissa, I called you a sock-puppet of Ceilingcat. You had appearances against you, but reading this forum has made me see that I was flat-out wrong about that. So I'd like to apologize. I see now that you're a seperate person who simply rushed to the defense of one of your peers. I misjudged you. Sorry.

That is all.

Yeah, there's some good posts in that thread, it woulda been fine if not for the 'moderation'.

Not responding to reports and private messages isn't going to encourage people to use those to get moderator's attention, when obviously it isn't benevolent.

Kinda like the skill challenges. It says it does A, but if practiced as written does the opposite of A.

-Crissa

2) Call another one of my mods immature baselessly, and I will permaban you. Davenport is above reproach, and while I will happily entertain discussion of the call, if you attack one of my boys again, you're done. You're getting this opportunity to change your ways because, again, I am awesome, and patient.

Herpderp. I despise fucktards who allow passive-aggressive trolling.

Also, I despise "celebrity designers" who are also above reproach.

You're getting this opportunity to change your ways because, again, I am awesome, and patient.

This is the line which really pissed me off.

While I would normally say just leave them alone to wallow in their own shit; that single sentence offends me enough I would actually advocate spamming them into oblivion to cleanse the net of such useless douchebags.

Thankfully I have neither the time nor the expertise to do it myself.

John Edward has competition for Biggest Douche of the Universe that's for fucking sure.

Te rpg.net mods are unbelievable assholes, but seriously my best suggestion is to just leave them alone. It has become a place like EnWorld - if you don't like Mike Mearls' nutsack the mods will hound you.

And considering that Merls has not written one thing in his whole life that was actually fit for publication, that's a tall fucking order. Seriously, the only talent he has is self promotion. You can go to his admittedly unfinished Iron Heroes shit, or his completely nonfunctional Knight class or his admittedly "work in progress yet sold for money" skill challenges - it's a litany of lazy incompetence that goes back through his entire career.

I don't know why he has a job. Let alone fans.

-Username17

FRANK, YOU MUST ACKNOWLEDGE THE BRILLIANT SYSTEM THAT IS 4E. IT WAS CAREFULLY PLAYTESTED AND IS THE MOST BALANCED SYSTEM OF D&D TO DATE. MEARLS SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PRODUCE A FUNCTIONAL SKILL CHALLENGE SYSTEM; WE SHOULD FELLATE HIM BECAUSE HE IS AWESOME.

Mod Powers have a way of bringing out latent idiocy. Sorry, I mean "patient and awesome"-ness.